So, either the military screwed up, and passed an unstable Army guy....again...or he's actually fit and is questioning the government. Now, we can't have that. Either we have free speech, or we don't. If there is nothing to this birth certificate thing, and they prove it and he reports for duty, or Obama actually is pulling the wool over our eyes and he tries to make everything go away.
I have to wonder how this will play out. In the past, how has Obama treated his enemies? He has ridiculed them. So, I predict he'll make the Lt. Col. look like a fool. They'll dig into his record and find something to make him look like a right wing nut. But isn't he with the medical staff? Isn't the medical staff all behind Obama? Well, isn't that interesting?
Are we going to see more of our military dissenting? Where would that leave Obama? Is that why he wants a civilian force behind him? Is that why he's trying to get together his Obama Zombies? You can't brainwash a force that is for America, when you're trying to destroy America, Mr. Obama. Sooner or later, we're gonna realize that what you're doing is actually NOT in our best interests.
You see, my son was born in Hawaii. I have a long form. For confidentiality, I've redacted a lot of it, but here it is:
I've not seen Mr. Obama's, does it look like this? Now granted, it was 37 years earlier...but I'll bet it didn't change that much.
So, will they court martial this Lt. Col. for not following orders? I can't imagine someone getting away with not following the orders of the Commander in Chief. He got ordered to report to Afghanistan. Obama is going to let this slide? If he does, it is basically saying to America, well, I don't want anyone seeing my real birth certificate long form because I have something to hide. Now, I redacted information because my son is 10 and I am a blogger, not the president of the United States. I don't have Secret Service Agents surrounding me day and night to protect me and my family should some nut case decide to do something stupid. He does. What are you afraid of, Mr. President? Are you afraid that we might learn the truth, that you have dual citizenship and aren't qualified for the office you hold? Because that's the only conclusion that can be reached by dragging this out.
If there is a long form that actually proves this is nothing, then show it. Unless, of course, this is all aimed at creating dissension in and of itself. Divide our military and get our military fighting among itself, as well. Another Alynsky tactic. Make our military ineffective. If our illustrious President does nothing, then I suspect the Lt. Col. of being a plant to sow descent. If the President attacks to make him look like a fool, then there's probably something to this birth certificate thing. I guess we'll have to see how all this plays out.
An addition after comments were added to this blog. I have found Obama's birth certificate on Politifact...
It does look exactly like my son's. That is a convincing arguement for me. So perhaps it can be put to rest. We'll still have to see how it plays out. The question would be why a military man would not be court martialed for not following orders if this were so? What would there be to gain? If you let one man get away with not obeying orders, there would be chaos in the military. Is that his goal, then? This man must really hate our military. Discention in the ranks must be put down immediately. If this is the case, and they believe this man is in error, they must put him back in line. Will they?
I have to wonder if this controversy will ever be settled. I just blew up my son's birth certificate as it scanned on this blog. You can plainly see the seal as it scanned. It's a raised seal, you can feel it on the original. On the back, is a stamp that says, I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department of Health, with the state registrar of the time, Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D. and the date, Jul 27, 1999. My son was born June 19, 1999. Wonder why it took so long to get his birth certificate? I didn't remember it taking so long. I know I have 3 copies of it.
But does this all matter? Is it more hype to keep us divided? I think we should just put it to rest and stay behind each other. It does not prove anyone is a racist to want proof that he is a natural born citizen. I would want proof if it was McCain. You can not have divided loyalties and serve as President of a country. That is the whole point. He has already said (and I don't mind being corrected because I have not read the book) that he would stand with the Muslims if it came to it. Well, it's coming to it. Mr. President, will you stand with us, or with the Muslims?
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Update: April 9, 2010. They say question with boldness and hold on to the truth. Sometimes I wish I just hated the man and flat out refused to believe anything good about him. It would get rid of this bouncing back and forth stuff, and feeling like a yo-yo. You liberals have it so easy. I have to deal with facts, and that's not always easy. I've been to the FactCheck site: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html. I think as far as my mind is concerned, I am no longer a birther. I have seen the seal if what they have on their site is indeed Obama's certificate. I guess I just have a better scanner than what they posted on line. Their signature stamp looks exactly like my son's, as does the raised seal. It is a long dashed bump just like what they show. Perhaps he fuzzed it for security reasons? Perhaps he loves a good controversy? Perhaps he wants a good division? I don't know the reason he does anything. I do know that it appears that he is trying to tick off as many groups of people as possible, according to his track record. And I know that he's not a friend of the military. My health insurance (as a veteran) is going up 735%. Anyone with Tricare Prime better read my blog about that. So at least we know we're being fundamentally transformed into Marxism by an American, by birth if not by raising.
Why do you insist on the "original" when Obama has posted the official birth certificate? He cannot post the original, he doesn't have it. That is why he asked Hawaii for it in 2007, and Hawaii sent him the Certification of Live Birth, which is what it sends to everyone. When the Certification of Live Birth says on it "Born in Hawaii" (as Obama's does), it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the US military.
ReplyDeleteObama has posted the official birth certificate of Hawaii. He is the first and only US president to show his birth certificate. The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is the only one that Hawaii issues. It no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html).
So, it is the only birth certificate that Obama can show. That is the birth certificate Hawaii sent to Obama in 2007, and it is the birth certificate that it sends to everyone. And the facts on the birth certificate–that he was born in Hawaii in 1961–were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii, and they are members of a Republican governor’s administration.
I had actually never heard that it was confirmed by anyone. Can you send me that information...I would gladly post that on my blog.
ReplyDeleteAs an adendum, I went to your site, and the certificate they show does look exactly like my son's. Will President Obama answer the question, or is this a distraction technique to keep us occupied so something else can come down? Should we look to the other hand?
ReplyDeleteRe: "had actually never heard that it was confirmed by anyone. Can you send me that information...I would gladly post that on my blog."
ReplyDeleteHere is the most recent statement:
"n an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated Monday afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives:
"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...." (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm)
And here is the statement of the spokeswoman for the Department of Health of Hawaii in 2008.
Quotes:
"Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
"Yes," said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. "That's what Dr. Fukino is saying."
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html
Re: "Will President Obama answer the question?'
I'm not sure what the question is you are referring to. One thing that he HAS said, in his first book, was that his mother did not have a passport in 1961. (He said that she and he got their passports when they moved to Indonesia.) And so, she could not have gone to Kenya even if she had wanted to. So the "born in Kenya" story is impossible (as well as being far fetched.)
What you should ask yourself is what is the motive of someone who knows that Obama's mother did not have a passport but keeps on running articles saying that he was born in Kenya?
I have found the birth certificate on politifact and posted it with this article...we'll see how this story plays out. If this Lt. Col. is actually refusing orders for a bogus reason, he should be court martialed. We shall see how the White House responds.
ReplyDeleteWhy should the White House respond?
ReplyDeleteThe order to go to Afghanistan was not from the president. It was from some full colonel or general who was superior to the Lt. Col, and that was the order that was refused.
The war in Afghanistan appears to be a legal war, approved by vote of Congress back when Bush was president. In other words, the allegation about the citizenship of the president has nothing to do with the case. A member of the armed services was given a legal order, and he refused.
That's whay I'm saying...if he has no response (which is a response) and the Lt. Col is court martialed, as he should be, the documents should be requested. They should be provided with no comment. That would be the honorable thing to do if he has nothing to hide. If the White House tries to destroy him and ridicule him or discredit him as per their history, I have to wonder at thier motives. The President, whether he likes it or not, is the Command in Chief and therefore the highest in command. With a high ranking officer making a stand, this will speak volumes to the rank and file military. All eyes are watching. And he knows it. If he does nothing and lets him oppose him and get away with it, everyone else will think they can, too. If he does let him get away with opposing him, he must have a reason for doing so, like maybe he wants the military half for him and half against him. He didn't try very hard to keep Congress together, did he? He's doing everything he can to cause Anarchy and this is more proof, IF this is a false accusation and he doesn't put it down and deal with it.
ReplyDeleteI wanted to get my facts straight before I responded, so I researched it....Congress has never declared war. According to Wikipedia (and trust me, I never trust Wikipedia, because it's a liberal/socialist media, so it should appeal more to you): "The United States has formally declared war against foreign nations five separate times, each upon prior request by the President of the United States. James Madison reported that in the Federal Convention of 1787, the phrase "make war" was changed to "declare war" in order to leave to the Executive the power to repel sudden attacks but not to commence war without the explicit approval of Congress." So, Congress is only there to approve what the President requests. It's a check and balance. The President can't be a tyrannt, declaring war with whomever he chooses, and neither can Congress. That's a good thing. And I would be throwing just as big of a fit had a Republican President and Republican Congress locked Democrats out and refused to allow them into a voting process. That's fascism. I took journalism courses ... you're opinions are not supposed to factor into reporting. As you can see, I have posted Obama's birth certificate and changed my opinion. Facts are facts. You are not supposed to spin them to fit your political side.
ReplyDeleteYou said: "if he has no response (which is a response) and the Lt. Col is court martialed, as he should be, the documents should be requested. They should be provided with no comment."
ReplyDeleteWhy? The Lt. Col refused a legal order from a superior. Obama did not order the Lt. Col. to go to Afghanistan. If a soldier had refused to go to Vietnam and was court martialed, would he have the right to demand LBJ's or Nixon's birth certificate? And, if he did, why should the court consider it relevant.
Concerning your comment on declarations of war. I agree with you very strongly that all US wars should only be launched with a formal declaration of war, called a declaration of war. Unfortunately to both of us, this is not the law. Wars are frequently authorized by acts that are not called "declarations of war," for example the Tonkin Gulf Resolution.
This was the situation in Afghanistan, which was authorized at Bush's request by the Congress in 2001 shortly after 911. That makes Afghanistan a legal war, unless you want to argue that Bush was not a valid president. (The AP showed that Bush actually won the vote in Florida, so he was.)
So, we have a Lt. Col. refusing a legal order or a superior. What does Obama's birth certificate have to do with it?
Re: "The President can't be a tyrannt, declaring war with whomever he chooses, and neither can Congress."
I agree 100%, however, resolutions passed by Congress do not always have to be called "Declarations of War" (Though you and I think that they should), and in this case, it wasn't. However, to bring a case to the Supreme Court to argue that a war really should be declared ONLY by legislation called "declaration of war" would be a great thing--but this is not the way to do it. Such a case would have nothing to do with the birth certificate. It would have to do with whether the law was declared properly back in 2001.
As for ridicule by the White House. There hasn't been any.
Re: "He's doing everything he can to cause Anarchy."
On the day that he took office, the Dow Jones Average closed at 8228. Today, a bad day, it closed at 10897.5. That is hardly anarchy.
Except that the original case was an officer disobeying orders. He gave the reason for disobeying orders as the Commander in Chief is not his Commander in Chief lawfully, because he wasn't a natural born citizen, thus illegally elected President. Commander in Chief is one of the duties of President. If the President is not lawfully held office, he is not lawfully the Commander in Chief and didn't lawfully conduct anything under his administration. If Bush is the one who started a "war" or conflict, and it proved that he wasn't a natural born citizen, oh boy the storm that would cause. And I'd be right there in the midst of it. If it was proven that any president, Bush included, wasn't a natural born citizen, I'd fight him BEING president. But those things should be found out BEFORE the election process, shouldn't they?
ReplyDeleteFirst, Obama is the legally elected, US-born, Natural Born Citizen president of the United States, confirmed unanimously by Congress and sworn in by the Chief Justice of the United States.
ReplyDeleteSecond, Obama did not give the Lt. Col. the order. A superior officer gave the order. Regardless of who is president, the same situation applies. Only if Obama had given the order could the officer claim that it was not a legal order based on Obama being what you claim. Obama did not give the order, a full colonel or general gave the order.
If a soldier had refused to go to Vietnam and claimed that Nixon was not a Natural Born Citizen and demanded to see the birth certificate, the military could would laugh and say: "This is irrelevant, you got your order from Major X."
If, as you said, that Bush had started the conflict and proved NOT to be a Natural Born Citizen, then you might be right. But Obama did not start the conflict.
If Obama decided to END the war in Afghanistan, and a soldier in Afghanistan refused to leave Afghanistan, that would be interesting. But all that Obama did was to decided to continue the legal war that was started under Bush.
That's funny, the president signed my discharge certificate, as commander-in-chief. Perhaps it was "complimentary?" And I was enlisted. I understand he doesn't approve every order. He is ultimately in charge of the military. This particular officer has listed this as HIS reason, whether I agree with it or not, and it needs to be addressed. If any officer is disobeying orders, proof of his disobedience would be entered into court as evidence. And I do so get tired of passing the buck. Obama is in charge of whatever happens in the nation now. It doesn't matter who started it. He said he'd end it....he hasn't. Either fight to win or bring our boys and girls home. If he didn't want to take charge, he shouldn't have run for President.
ReplyDeleteThe order did not come from the president. It came from a full colonel or a general. We can't have soldiers, sailors, marines or officers disobeying the legal commands of their superiors and then demanding to see the president's birth certificate. No military court would demand the president's birth certificate. It is irrelevant to the question of whether the person obeyed a legal order from his superior.
ReplyDeleteSo why is he not being court martialed? Why is he not being treated as a nut, fringe, whatever you want to call it? No matter his reasons for not obeying, not obeying is not obeying. He should be court martialed. By military law, he would have to respond to the charges against him. Once in court, he would bring up WHY he refused an order. Then this whole OBAMA IS NOT A CITIZEN thing would be dragged through the military court system. You would think that would be an opportunity for the President to put it to bed FINALLY. I know I'm relieved to finally have it behind me, to finally be able to say I'm not a birther, to finally have it settled in MY mind that the birth certificate is real. I know in my mind that it matches my son's. I hate bouncing back and forth. I like facts, even when they aren't what I want them to be. It means we can move on.
ReplyDeleteYou said: "So why is he not being court martialed? "
ReplyDeleteApparently he will be, they are giving him a chance, but eventually if he does not comply or show medical or mental reasons, they'll do the court martial.
Then, you say, that the birth certificate would be dragged through the court.
Baloney. The judge of the court martial would not allow a single mention of the birth certificate because it is irrelevant. It is like saying 'I will not obey an order to go to Afghanistan because Afghanistan is not on my map.''--irrelevant. Or because Afghanistan does not allow you to drink whiskey--irrelevant. Or because the commanding general in Afghanistan is a Democrat or a Republican--irrelevant. The birth certificate is irrelevant because the president did not give the order.